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| Abe Froman:Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Lord Tony Smith:
Interesting that Abe tweeted over the weekend that there are
only three people who oversee every recruitment and retention decision and that
these three people don’t receive half as much criticism as others. They are:
Simon Moran
Stuart Middleton
Mike Lomax
The 'top 3 triangle' are ultimately responsible for the sanctioning of new signings & extending the contracts of players, with plenty of input from the Director Of Rugby and the senior coaching staff, as well as advisors that are used in Australia. It's their money that's being spent afterall. But nobody seems to mention them when criticising the clubs structure & on/off field results, which I suspect is down to the money they've put in to the club over the years. Imagine what position we'd be in now without them, especially SM. I don't think you can criticize them then, the club are paying people to advise and they are taking on board the advice given. The serious lack of quality falls on the people giving this advise. I have zero knowledge of who we use and if its the same people but if it is, after decades of poor recruitment with the odd exception id be cutting ties with no leaving card. When you say 'the club are paying people to advise' I assume you're referring to our Director Of Rugby & senior coaching staff ? Yeah but more so aimed at the advisors we use in Australia, i just find it bizarre and a waste of club/investors money constantly bringing players over that don't cut it The only advisor we've paid in Australia was an advanced stats guy on NRL players who Lomax knows. But if you think there's a network of pro scouts or advisors etc then you're barking up the wrong tree. Sounds crazy doesn't it !!! Simon Moran speaks to a few people who've advised him, but they certainly don't get paid ie, Andrew Johns, Jim Bannaghan, Russell Crowe, Phil Gould etc. Well, I say Phil Gould, but that's another chapter for my book. Ah i thought there would be more to it than a stats guy. As a fan who isn't privy to the clubs day to day running and business regarding player recruitment i find it very disappointing over the years how we seem to get it wrong more often than not. You are very much someone who seems to know a lot before the average fan like myself so i would presume you know a lot more than most of us will ever hear about, how do you think we have fared over the years when dipping into the "transfer market" as such? |
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| just_browny:WireWireWire:
On loan until end of the season, which is in September. So, in other words he ain't good enough for his own team. Great.
There are plenty of precedents of this working; not least when we've signed Wardle and Bateman previously. Who knows what will happen here but I don't think this tenure automatically makes it a bad idea. Anyone coming over from Australia at 30 years old, with 8 games left of the season because they can't get in their own team abd specialises in a position we don't need help in is a terrible move. |
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| WireWireWire:just_browny:WireWireWire:
On loan until end of the season, which is in September. So, in other words he ain't good enough for his own team. Great.
There are plenty of precedents of this working; not least when we've signed Wardle and Bateman previously. Who knows what will happen here but I don't think this tenure automatically makes it a bad idea. Anyone coming over from Australia at 30 years old, with 8 games left of the season because they can't get in their own team abd specialises in a position we don't need help in is a terrible move. Just as an aside, as Just Browny said, John Bateman was 30, joined in late July 2024 with 8 league games remaining, and couldn't get in the West Tigers side. He made a positive contribution. |
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He can make a wonderful contribution…but in the words of Kyle Amor ‘it matters not’. We could win every game (we won’t win 4) and still we wouldn’t qualify.
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| Wires71:WireWireWire:just_browny:WireWireWire:
On loan until end of the season, which is in September. So, in other words he ain't good enough for his own team. Great.
There are plenty of precedents of this working; not least when we've signed Wardle and Bateman previously. Who knows what will happen here but I don't think this tenure automatically makes it a bad idea. Anyone coming over from Australia at 30 years old, with 8 games left of the season because they can't get in their own team abd specialises in a position we don't need help in is a terrible move. Just as an aside, as Just Browny said, John Bateman was 30, joined in late July 2024 with 8 league games remaining, and couldn't get in the West Tigers side. He made a positive contribution. Bateman didn't do that well and nobody will remember his stint. Did well defensively but offered almost nothing in attack. If Matterson is another Bateman (he isn't) then we don't need him. We aren't getting relegated and we aren't making the playoffs off the back of an anonymous second rower. Just look at what his own speccies say. They don't want him back next year. |
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Perhaps there will be quite a few of these cast offs coming over when the NRL template is in place. At least there a plenty of last chance saloons over here.
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